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the eric cantor saying he does not support this bill. and that sent shock waives, really through the washington. as he was making this public and blunt statement. then they had a series of meetings really behind closed doors to get a path forward here. >> yeah. and it was very significant. some people started to speculate. it was just conjecture that there may be a sism between house speaker john boehner and eric cantor. they seem to be much more on the same page much more in the past year or so. it was interesting that they walked down to the final conference meeting. eric cantor and john boehner walked down the center steps to the capitol. to the basement of the capitol soldier to soldier symbolic gesture that they were together and on the same page even though they might see this differently. the house speaker often does not vote on basement john boehner was concerned. he had some skepticism about this bill. but his responsibility as the speaker is to lead. and he didn't see too many ways out of this culled sack. he said look if we can get the votes possibly to go through the
yes. you had eric cantor voting no. is there a split as charles talking about here on the panel developing inside of the republican party that is being used and possibly taken advantage of by democrats including the white house? >> well, i will say something that is simplest thing to say is that charles is right. and that is a freebie. but it is not right as it relates to or it doesn't apply to not april politicable relating to boehner and cantor this, is a cal clue coup laigs. inside of the caucus that boehner is the, taking it, he says i brought the deal so i'm going to vote for it. ryan who is a pragmatist is saying i am the budget committee chairman. then, they're letting the other guys off the hook. if you look how small number of people is, that is voting in favor, how small the number of republicans voting in favor of this is, they're letting just about everybody off the hook. they're taking it and they're hoping that as few a number of human beings is watching this, as is possible. and that they will let this pass on into the night. that it will be done. and that is what
to speaker john boehner, majority leader eric cantor, maturity with kevin mccarthy. it's not for this class of 87 freshman, class of 2010 he would be minority leader boehner. these guys came and not beholden by any means to leadership and made it clear from the outset that they were not going to be told to fall into line. the real problem for this republican leadership, but to prove to be the case if ever the democrats regain power is the enforcement tools of yesteryear aren't needed of yesteryear, since earmarks have now been banned, since if the blogosphere you can turn someone into an instant martyr by stripping them of their committee assignments. it's very, very hard to use a stick in addition to a kerry. there's a point in my book i refer to after the debt ceiling fiasco of the summer of 2011 when they come back in another resolution to fund the carpet because the obama administration hadn't passed a budget was coming up. the republican leadership of the ticket and easy vote and in fact the members voted against it. the appropriations committee, which designs continue dissolutions and
, eric cantor says we have no paper so there is nothing to sign off on. interesting to watch the dynamic. if this gets through the senate and moves to the house of representatives because the house democrats there are not going to want to care relationship all of the water on this. the house republicans are in charge in the house of representatives. and there is still some selling as you say that has to be done to senate democrats. i'm told by a spokesman to mitch mcconnell, don stewart told me that biden will probably meet with mcconnell later on here. when asked when there would be a vote. he said awhile. sounds like if there is going to be a vote in the senate tonight or tomorrow morning it will still be hours and don stewart said it always takes a little longer here in the senate. >> bret: and it does. what about just for folks who don't perhaps know the logistics and parliamentary procedures not to get too in the weeds about senate parliamentary maneuvers but tell them how this will go once they get a piece of legislation that they will bring it to the floor and how they will move i
clear throughout the 112 congress. eric cantor the majority leader is a bit different, somewhat younger than boehner, a very clever guy, very very ambitious. he has his own channel to the obama white house as he and vice president biden are very close and i think they found they need each other i believe it was biden and this would not surprise any of you that was leaking to eric cantor that speaker boehner was pursuing separate talks with obama during the so-called -- in which eric cantor was a part. this may cantor livid and he walked out of those talks because of the dynamics going on with boehner. does this sound childish to you? >> the question i'm going to ask is that eric cantor walked past john boehner leaving out an open window -- window he would not hesitate to push him with a? >> for one 11 thing boehner is an even tempered so is boehner. unless the moment is absolutely right you tend not to be able to get ahead by declaring. >> the there is a -- between cancer and boehner. >> working more or less in the middle is the majority whip kevin mccarthy. mccarthy has, he has only
boehner and majority leader eric cantor walking in a republican conference meeting together. a show of solidarity, perhaps, after cantor came out against the bill that passed the senate this morning. looking live outside the meeting now. tonight on "special report," g.o.p. lawmakers are suggesting they may amend that bill and send it back to the senate. we'll explain what that means when we have live reports on both sides of pennsylvania avenue. potennial market reaction to the late moves. at the white house, president obama's plane but gassed up and ready to go back to hawaii. but with no vote and no communication with boehner, what now? "special report" from washington with all the fiscal cliff latest starts at 6:00. now back to "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> juan: getting redty to party. the last segment we took a look at the serious moments on "the five" this year. now let's get to the good stuff. roll the tape. ♪ notice >> are we non- >> bob. >> sorry. ♪ ♪ notice ♪ ♪ >> hostess brand maker of twinkies. [ laughter ] >> lockness monster was a hoax. >> what? that is a hoax?
with the senate, john boehner, eric cantor with mccarthy and morris are saying is there are two bills the house passed to deal with the fiscal cliff that are now over the united states senate. if the senate wants to do anything with them, amend them and send them back to the house and perhaps the house will act on it. essentially what boehner is saying is we're not making any moves until the senate amends the two bills we passed over or sends a new one. what are in those bills? well, they essentially extend the bush tax cuts permanently for all earners. and then to avert the sequester and other types of cuts, they make what a lot of liberals have called draconian cuts to meals on wheels, food stamps. it goes into discretionary spending. the house passed bills are absolutely would go nowhere. and would be vee toad by president obama. so this is what we're seeing on the statement the day after christmas is while you guys figure out some solution, we wash our hands of it. >> as a follow-up, i'm putting my press secretary hat on for a second and say the response i would expect from the democratic s
barack obama has a chance to do what eric cantor told bob woodward after he met him the first time, which is if he's pragmatic, if he comes to the middle, then he could lock us republicans up for a very long time. i mean, i think that's the great challenge for barack obama. >> yeah. >> can he do what he appears to be doing right now with john boehner? and that is upsetting a lot of people in his own base for the betterment of their party by saying we're going to raise it from $250,000 to maybe $500,000, go after entitlements and do it for the best interests of the country. >> he is a pragmatist. the first two years, it was such a strained situation. when we talked to him on wednesday, everything he said was about -- he wasn't saying government has to be bigger. government has to be smarter. government has to be better. it was like the lincoln line. this is a fantastic picture, by the way. >> that is adorable. >> joe, that's one of the pictures i was talking about. >> you're letting us know, these are all exclusive to "morning joe." >> they're exclusive to "time" and "morning joe." apparen
consensus. and at the 11th hour, you have eric cantor and kevin mccarthy, the number two and three in the house republican caucus breaking away. but who stands up and stands with boehner? it's ryan. it's ryan, the budget committee chairman. he could have done a lot to come back from the campaign trail and really try to assert himself against boehner. he didn't do that. he was boehner's ally. >> why? >> that really helped boehner at the end. why? because i think ryan long term is just like camp dadave camp. they're talking about the long-term tax reform is going to come on the debt ceiling in 2013 with the budget fight. you're so right on the debt part. but what they want to do now is lock in the rates. that was their argument in the caucus meeting last night. that was their argument on the floor. lock in the bush era rates, do what you can and move on. >> why did they break away from john boehner at the last moment other than it made a hell of a lot of good sense if you're actually conservative ideologically, you don't believe in adding $4 trillion to the national debt? >> i that i
to me. and it says, you know, exactly -- >> even though eric cantor was right there probably helping him out? >> but that's the thing is he had eric cantor there, which should have given him the cover. now, you know, at some point john boehner has to make a decision, which is do i let these people dictate what type of legislation we're going to put to this body, or will i get rid of this informal role that anything i let come to a vote has to have the majority of the majority, which means that a majority of republicans have to vote on the bill for it to pass. because that's really the only resolution to this deal is can he -- will he pass a deal that will have a lot of democratic support in the house? >> and is, as i look at next week and the fiscal cliff presumably happening, going over it, john boehner is supposed to be re-elected speaker on next thursday. >> on the 3rd, yeah. >> is that going to change everything and he's going to say, to hell with this right-wing tail wagging my dog, i don't need you guys anymore? >> no, because the house isn't the only theater of this. there's the s
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